José Monserrat Pou 14 7/8

[Albert61]

Jose Monserrat Pou 14 7/8 net gescoort op bricabrac markt puntgaaf voor E20,-,.zie ze op ebay voor hoge prijzen.Weet iemand wat over dit mes?Foto te ingewikkeld vanuit Provence...

[efsk]

JMP is de maker van het merk Filarmonica. Hij gebruikte Duits staal (de 14 is een Rohling die door vele makers is gebruikt) en al naar gelang de periode zijn ze goed f beter.

puntgaaf voor 2 tientjes is geweldig. Van harte.

[Snuff]

puntgaaf gaan ze zeker meer als tien keer zoveel dus goeie vondst. Ik heb in het verleden eens een hele beschrijving gepost over alle Filarmonica's die er bestaan, even zoeken dus als je meer wil weten.

[mhharsta]

Zo te horen heb je een uitstekende koop gedaan Albert

[Guest Gusto]

Laat vooral een foto zien van je aankoop!

[Albert61]

Ik ben geloof ik blij,zal de site er even op doorspitten.Foto komt bij terugkeer in Nederland..

[Albert61]

Ik ben geloof ik blij,zal de site er even op doorspitten.Foto komt bij terugkeer in Nederland..

[Tony]

Een punt gave Filarmonica voor die prijs is zeker een goede vangst. Wat staat er op de tang en op de ets?

[Kingjack]

Leuk Albert!

[Albert61]

Tony:de ets. Filarmonica. Doble temple

Tang: 14. Filarmonica. Doble temple. José Monserrat pou

 

Andere kant:fabrication espanola. Made in spain

[Albert61]

Tony:de ets. Filarmonica. Doble temple

Tang: 14. Filarmonica. Doble temple. José Monserrat pou

 

Andere kant:fabrication espanola. Made in spain

[Snuff]

1. First Generation: Jose Monserrat Pou's initial offerings - ~1915 - 1967.

 

 

Pre-1950 versions will NOT have "FABRICACION ESPAÑOLA / MADE IN SPAIN" stamped on the rear of the tang

 

 

Three main iterations of the "Especial" model (in order; transitional anomalies exist)

Tang shows curved Jose Monserrat Pou with stylized eagle (IMPERIAL brand), tall & vertical "14"

Tang shows IMPERIAL brand, straight Jose Monserrat Pou, short & horizontal "14" with lyre

Tang returns to curved Jose Monserrat Pou & tall/vertical "14", but with "FILARMONICA"

These would also have the 'musical' Especial/Filarmonica gold seal on the blade face

New white box with "Especial Para Barbas Duras" - the original EPBD

 

 

The original "Doble Temple"

Tang similar to Especial with curved Jose Monserrat Pou, tall & vertical "14", and "FILARMONICA"

A different gold seal on the face, most notable attribute being the "JMP" initials in the center

Collectors will refer to this as a "JMP signature blade", the initials were later replaced by the lyre

See my earlier image for a pristine example; these are more rare and more highly valued by some

The rest of the gold seal might have been generic; I've found a Carl Friedrich Ern Crown & Shield with the same seal design

 

 

The "Medallon Taurino" limited edition, bullfighting series was introduced

They're just Doble Temple 13s with six bullfighting themes on the face

Banderillas, Capote, Estocada, Cogida, Muleta, and Rejoneo

Three total iterations found across three generations of Filarmonica (anyone up to collect all 18?)

 

The "Sub Cero" was a cryo-treated Doble Temple. Tang stamp conventions apply. It stuck around into the next generations.

 

 

2. Second Generation: I call it the "Filarmonica Aesthetic Period" (FAP...fapfapfapfapfap...) - 1967-1979.

 

The company seems to have decided that pretty makes profit, and thus updated their look.

New scales (a few versions), gold seals, and tang stamps mark this era.

Tang stamps settled into a uniform style with small horizontal number, lyre, JMP, model, and Filarmonica

 

The Especial blossomed into the more ornate Especial Para Barbas Duras with laser etching and tang grommet.

The Doble Temple continued as the brand's steadfast workhorse, steady as she goes.

Four more models appeared

TRIDUR Especial Para Barbas Duras - Trivalent chromium coating for less corrosion. It's harder to hone until the outer coating is removed. Name is on the face, otherwise identical to the EPBD.

Novodur Para Profesionales - not much known, though the marketing goal is clear. Notable are the embossed scales from the EPBD, third pin in the scales, model on the tang, and gold seal similar to Sub Cero

Especial Para Corte de Pelo - narrow EPBDs made for hair cutting with attachment. "Corte Cabello" on the face.

INOX / INOXIDABLE - stainless steel Doble Temple. I don't like stainless, so not much to say there. Most were 3rd gen and don't bear JMP's name.

 

 

3. Third generation: Jose Monserrat Pou passed away sometime in the late '70s - early '80s. His son took over for a brief period, apparently continuing to sell out the old stock of materials. This is a murky period which I avoid. Straight razors were banned from Spanish barbershops in 1985 (Hepatitis & HIV?) and safety/cartridge razors had taken over worldwide, so the diminished demand (along with JMP's absence) had a direct affect on production. Many people have declared success with these razors, but they are considered hit or miss by collectors.

 

 

Key identifier is JMP's name having disappeared from the blades altogether

These are the razors you see in black "Sello Oro" boxes

Quality control was on the fritz with blade faces not matching tang stamps and other issues (lots of these on ebay from Japan)

 

 

4. Fourth generation: JMP's son died shortly after his father, then the daughter took over. The company closed a few years later in 1990.

 

Very hard, brittle steel sourced from Pakistan - takes an edge, but falls apart sooner than expected

No tang marks, only perfunctory "FILARMONICA -DOBLE TEMPLE-" etched on the face

Some have Sello Oro packaging or just plastic sleeves

Simply avoid these unless you're a collector

 

 

The first gen blades are considered by some to be the highest quality Filarmónica produced. I believe this is partially a matter of nostalgia, because when examining the first two generations historically & practically (on hones and face), there doesn't seem to be a difference between them with regard to steel and grinding. There is no reason that the earliest third gen razors shouldn't perform as well as previous generation blades, but any razor lacking Jose Monserrat Pou's name is a gamble. For those of you who got the good ones, congratulations! But caveat emptor to anyone on the hunt for a new Filarmónica.

[Tony]

Voor het geval je het in het Engels gemist hebt.

Als de 14 rechtopstaat is het een oudere uitvoering (eerste generatie) en als het een liggende 14 is een latere versie ( tweede generatie). Het feit dat de naam van JMP op de tang staat geeft aan dat het geen derde generatie is.

 

Goede vangst.

Als je hem zelf niet kan slijpen wil ik dat wel eventueel voor je doen. De Filarmonica's laten zich over het algemeen wel makkelijk slijpen.

[efsk]

goeie post ron, dank je!

[Albert61]

Bedankt,beste heren!Ik zag deze aanvullende informatie nu pas.Wat is liggend/verticaal?

Ik ga een foto posten,dat is het makkelijkst denk ik.Hij scheert al heel fijn....

[Albert61]

[Albert61]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bupkh4ji3cl8mrr/IMG_20160810_151053.jpg?dl=0

[Albert61]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bupkh4ji3cl8mrr/IMG_20160810_151053.jpg?dl=0

[Albert61]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tch9ogd10npy6e4/IMG_20160810_151025.jpg?dl=0

[Albert61]

Mes is overigens 25 mm.breed.

[efsk]

Da's een fijne dikke filli Albert.

[mhharsta]

Welkom in de wereld van de "dikke" messen Albert!

Vanaf nu is alles onder 5/8 kinderspel .

Edit, De aanbieding voor het slijpen door Tony zou ik aannemen; Ik ben er van overtuigd dat je hem nergens beter terug krijgt na het slijpen, dan door het werk van Tony.

[Tony]

Dat is een fraai exemplaar Albert, en netjes onderhouden door zijn vorige eigenaar zo te zien.

[Albert61]

Iedereen bedankt voor zijn bijdrage.

 

Groeten Albert